Join us on a captivating journey as we explore the extraordinary life of Jesse Hudak, a multifaceted individual with a passion for music, history, cars, and all things nerdy. With a big beard, an even bigger heart, and insatiable curiosity, Jesse brings his unique perspective to our podcast. From the Portuguese Holy Ghost Festival to the world of Fado music, from his adventurous culinary endeavors to his love for pizza, Jesse's stories will captivate and entertain. Tune in for an unforgettable experience with a curious and inquisitive wanderer. Get ready to be inspired and entertained in this episode of our podcast!
Bio
Jesse Hudak is a multifaceted individual who wears many hats. From being one of the earliest customers of our Energy Pods to being a self-proclaimed music nerd, history nerd, car nerd, and all-around nerd extraordinaire, Jesse's diverse interests make him a captivating guest. With his big beard, even bigger heart, and insatiable curiosity, he navigates through life as a foodie, friend, and hunger slayer. Join us as we delve into the fascinating world of Jesse, a curious and inquisitive wonderer who brings his unique perspective to our podcast.
Time Stamps
0:27 Guest intro
0:50 Sponsor message
1:32 Jesse's back story
2:40 What is the Portuguese Holy Ghost Festival?
6:19 Is there a cultural or religious significance to the Holy Ghost Festival?
7:35 How is the Portuguese community different?
10:32 What was schooling like for you?
12:33 What is Fado music?
16:00 The growth of Portuguese immigrants in United States
17:45 What is limerick music?
19:16 When did you get your own guitar?
23:37 What got you into metal guitar?
25:58 What were your first few jobs out of school?
30:23 A Deja Vu story about getting fired!
35:20 Finding the perfect job and lifestyle as an insomniac
39:21 How did you get first introduced to Energy Pods?
41:48 Sponsor message
42:44 How did you get into the culinary world?
47:33 Making a date crust pizza and evolving pizza itself!
48:59 A tale of love and the craziest cross-country trip!
56:53 Final message
58:19 Final plugs
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Transcript
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music nerd, history nerd, car nerd and overall a nerd god.
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I've lived in Napa for most of my life.
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I spent a short tent, a tent in American Canyon when I was in my early teens.
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I moved back to Napa, so I've been here for my whole life.
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I grew up on a family farm.
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My dad's parents had a nice big property too.
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So where was it?
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The farm is in Napa.
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It's off of Silverado Trail.
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It's one of the only houses that isn't covered in vineyards out there.
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We had, it was kind of like a ranch.
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It used to be a large horse ranch originally.
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Some famous actor owned it and then my grandpa bought it in 1986 or something like that I think.
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So he kept sheep and goats still do pigs.
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But you know, it was just, it's a nice big property.
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It was a great place to grow up as a kid and then you know, being Portuguese, I have a million
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cousins and family members.
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So we would have these big fesh does.
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The Holy Ghost Festival, basically which is in, I think it was like the last weekend of
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August, kind of like a Portuguese Catholic sort of thing.
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What happens in it?
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So you get there early, you get all these people out and they have some kind of like just religious
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you know, ceremonies like my grandpa would build this little kind of like a small chapel.
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It was like a little modular chapel that he made.
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It was great.
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Every couple years he'd repain it.
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But it was basically a floor with some linoleum on top.
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Just a real basic like two by four for plywood.
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Just a couple of walls of windows and then like a front fascia that had windows and a little
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door and then the back.
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And then a little roof that you drop on it and he would just screw the whole thing together
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and then you'd put, you'd cover the foreign pine needles.
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You know, so it was just like a, like you couldn't see the four at all just covered in pine
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needles like inches thick.
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So you walk in, you walk on that and it smells really like fresh piney and then inside
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there they would have, if I remember correctly, they would have the like a little statue
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representing the father of the son of the Holy Spirit and each, oh you know those crowns.
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They were crowns.
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That's right.
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So yeah, this crown with this kind of like a wand that had, I think I could dove on the
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end of it.
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And so you would kiss the dove and then you'd put it on your forehead and then the priest
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would put one of each crown on your head.
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And that was just like the father of son of the Holy Spirit and then they would have
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these Portuguese bands that would come out and play like photo music which is like Portuguese
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folk.
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And you have the big food section so you'd start everybody go out and handing out sweet
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bread which is kind of like a, the Portuguese bread, kind of like a brioche, sweet eggie,
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you know, really, really good and then glasses of milk on a hot summer day, you know, which
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I love and then you have crackers and stuff and cookies and you know, like, and we have
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this big oak tree, this huge oak tree that's in the property and they would build on hay
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bails and then put like table tops on them and you just have just food like everybody would
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come out.
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You know, we'd have like a hundred something people there.
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Everybody.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah, it was, yeah, just farm is just packed.
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Like we have all these cars, my, you know, in the front of the property, there's a big,
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like a big field.
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And so that's normally where, you know, everything will roam around.
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But then they would put all the goats in the sheep back and stuff like, because like they'd
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never clean up the poop.
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Like everybody would be rolling in, parking and there'd just be like little goat turns
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over the place.
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So people would be walking in from the field, you know, but you carry, you know, everybody
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would be carrying in like large baskets of food and like all this stuff and we'd have like,
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you know, fried sprouts and I had just tons and tons of double eggs and like just all
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the kinds of like great, you know, great Portuguese foods like, you know, really nice potatoes
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and, you know, and like they'd have this like beef.
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It wasn't like quite like corn beef, but sort of, you know, it was delicious.
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There'd be so much random stuff.
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And then you could eat for days and then they would make showpas and that's like the crown
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jewel is this soup and it's beef and cabbage and some spices and it's like a really simple
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thing and then you soak bread in it too.
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So you have this bread that's just soft cooked in and you can just eat just bowls and bowls
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of that stuff.
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You know, my cousins, I would all hang out, play like ghost in the graveyard at night
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time, which is like, you know, you have a couple of teams split up and you've got, you know,
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30 kids run around this farm at night and, you know, some of them would be ghosts and you
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run any tag people and then just like that army gets bigger and bigger until you find
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the last cousin.
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And then there's just great times, you know.
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So I have a question.
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What, like this holiday celebration, like was there like a religious significance to
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like, my knowledge on Christian holidays and all of that stuff is just, I'm a, I'm a
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ducky.
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Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I was never like really super religious.
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I would just go because it was, you know, a family thing when you have everybody there together.
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But, um, I mean, the Holy Ghost festival, it's, I guess it symbolizes something.
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What, what, what is it?
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What does it, what day does it happen?
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Uh, it would routinely happen, I think, on the last Saturday of August, which would usually
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be like the 29th, 30th, you know, somewhere in there, depending on how the day fell in the
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rotation of the seasons.
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Um, yeah, always like the last, last Saturday or Sunday of August, you guys don't do it.
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We have it in a while.
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Um, I am trying to get my, you know, we've all been talking about it because the kids, like
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my mom and my aunt and my uncle, um, we always wanted to get back together to do the X-Milalicle
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is the farm now.
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And so we got to get all the recipes from the grandpa and like get everybody together.
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But there's so many of those folks now are so old.
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I think it would be hard to get some of the newer generation to come out, but everybody
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misses it, you know?
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So like, I don't know, I think it'd be great to keep doing that.
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Were there any influences from the Portuguese culture while you were being raised, were there
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influences as well?
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Was there anything different from like a traditional American family, per se?
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Like the Portuguese community that, that's here in California, especially the older generation
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is very, very tight knit.
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It's like everybody's immigrants, like I'm a first generation Portuguese American, you know?
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And my family would come over, you know, from, from Portugal, we're from the Azores, which
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are the small, the small islands, like in the archipelago, just like in the middle of the,
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of the Atlantic, you know, like lots of hours away from the mainland.
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But, um, everybody is very close, like we used to do the Portuguese organizational stuff,
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like Dan and San Jose, they have a large Portuguese community there and they put on a lot of
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fundraisers and things, but, you know, I think like, like a lot of immigrant culture, everything's
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very tight knit, you know?
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We, the Portuguese are known to be quite good farmers, you know, and hard workers, so there's
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just, there's a lot of that hard working generation.
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I will say there's a lot of wool, everybody wears wool, and, uh, I don't know, exactly the
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significance of that is aside from it being warm, and I guess having an abundance of sheep
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around, I suppose that would make sense.
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But, you know, everybody's very generous, very loving, you know, we, we, you know, spent
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a lot of time, you know, cooking in the kitchen together and making large quantities of food
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because Portuguese families usually tend to run, run deep.
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A lot of Portuguese people, especially, you know, some of the older generation above me,
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are very, like, kind of conservative in manner.
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Everybody, like, so party, everybody has a good time, but, you know, like, the men are usually
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just dressed very formal at the time, like, always wearing suits, or like, buttoned up,
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flannel, button up, wool shirts, like, button up, you know, linen shirts, and like, pressed
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dockers and, like, you know, loafers and stuff like that.
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So it's just kind of like a very, you know, like, I can only spot a Portuguese guy when I
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see him.
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You know, um, yeah, the culture is very interesting.
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There's a lot of influence because, like, you know, the people who originally were in,
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like, the Portuguese land were kind of like, Celtic, like, Highlanders, like, sort of, like,
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kind of, Viking-ish, but not, not really.
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You know, and then there was a lot of trade at the Middle East and, like, with Spain and
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Africa.
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And so, there's a lot of adaptation from other cultures there.
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You know, the Portuguese empire was so big at one point that, you know, it's like, just,
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you know, amassed a lot.
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Kind of the family stuff and, like, always trying to help friends when you can.
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That was always a big, a big thing, like, you know, to quote letter-cending when a friend
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asked for help, you know, and I just, I went and visited my grandparents today and it was,
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it was really nice.
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I then needed some matches and some napkins.
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So my grandma lights lots of candles, so I got her 900.
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I told her she'll ask you a couple of days.
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So moving on from your, sort of, childhood, like, how was your schooling like for you?
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You know, I loved elementary school.
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I went to Vischee Elementary.
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It was great.
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Some of my most formative teachers were there.
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Mr. Savani, my sixth grade teacher.
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Guys, fantastic.
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Tell me so much.
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What stood out about him?
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He really listened and, like, paid attention to the students.
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And, you know, like, I remember some days, I wasn't really at TA, but some days I just,
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I didn't really feel like being outside so much.
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But I'd want to just hang out in his room on my lunch break and, like, we'd talk about
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music.
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He showed me Queen for the first...
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Oh, the band.
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The band Queen?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we will rock you.
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You know, I remember you played that for me in class.
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Remember being so, like, I was cleaning desks and, like, the rhythm, whatever rhythm I created,
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like, cleaning the desk.
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The ones that had the lids that flip up in your container.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, I'm just, I guess, in whatever method I was shutting them.
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And he was like, that sounds like Queen.
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You know, and I was like, what's that?
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And so, yeah, he showed me them.
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Historically, he was great.
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Like, he taught stuff that was outside some of, you know, the normative school crapper.
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They, you know, they teach a bunch of BS.
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Like, it seemed like he was teaching more of, like, the real, you know, kind of true historian
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knowledge.
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So it was a history teacher.
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Well, so, you know, like, in sixth grade, you still have one teacher that taught you everything,
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right?
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So, like, a little bit of English, a little bit of math, you know, some science, geography,
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history, like that.
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And, you know, like that kind of stuff.
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So he was like a all in one sort of teacher.
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But yeah, his history knowledge was great.
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And like, when we were studying Egypt, like, he got some papyrus, like actual papyrus material
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so that we could practice writing higher glyphics on, like, legit papyrus, which I, that's
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crazy, dude.
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Yeah, I love that.
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That was, I, yeah.
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Do you know, do you still know how I wrote, like, hieroglyphics to some extent?
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No, I haven't practiced that in a long time.
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But I mean, I love runes and I love higher glyphs and like, you know, that kind of stuff,
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like one of my guitars, when I got really into just viking mythology and all that, I have
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runes carved into, how do you double the guitars?
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How did you get into music?
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Was that to, to the teachers inspiration or something else?
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Um, no, I'd always been into music.
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And my grandfather, he, you know, he played guitar and he was a photo musician, which was
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that mean?
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Uh, so he, he played guitar in a Portuguese photo band and it's, um, it's like Portuguese
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folk.
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It's, uh, it's really interesting.
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There's a lot of aspects to photo music, but like, a lot of it is, is very kind of like,
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solemn.
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Like, it's like the heartbreak of the Portuguese people, you know, a lot of, like, it's from
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the mainland and, and the islands.
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Um, but it's funny because like, the photo musicians then used to be like the bad boys,
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like, you know, my grandpa, he was trying to get my, my grandmother to go out with them
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for the longest time and her parents just like, we're like, no, like, he's a photo guy.
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He's a bad boy, you know?
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Like, don't go out with him, but he's, you know, like, he's super sweet.
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He did have a bit of a temper growing up, but, so, so give me an example.
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Like, what's it like to, what kind of instruments do you guys play in that kind of music?
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Um, so each island has its own version of a guitar of my, the island that my family's
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from Tosheda, they have a 15 string guitar.
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Like, normally, it's Christ.
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Jesus Christ.
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A lot of times you'll see like a 12 string.
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Yeah.
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Where you have the normal six strings, but then you have the sympathetic strings that
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go with it, um, but on the 15 string, you have, on, I think it was like the four low strings
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and I have, I think I have one of his 15, I do have one of his 15 string guitars.
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Um, you have three strings for, I think, three of the top strings and then two for the
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high, the high strings.
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And so that was like for the lead instrument when you play the 15 string and you get this
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really full rich, you know, kind of like drony sort of sound for the big chords and he would
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pluck, you know, very fast and almost kind of do solos and things like that.
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And then you have the rhythm players who play like a regular six stringer.
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Um, there's mandalins and then like normal eight string mandalins and then they have this
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other instrument that I, I think it's a mandolin, but I don't remember what the name of it
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specifically, but it has, I think 10 or 12 strings, but it has these really weird little
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tuners that are kind of like little straight knobs that attach to this really, really crazy
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curly headstock, like way more than like a, a, how a violin is curved.
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This is, they're super trippy looking and it's, it kind of has like a really deep gourd
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shape to it, I suppose.
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Um, but yeah, they're really cool and then you have the singers usually male or, you know,
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female, depending.
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And percussions.
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Yeah, there's some percussion, not as much though.
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Um, it's mostly stringed instruments.
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Sometimes you have a bass, but, uh, yeah, I can't, I can't think of much fato that has percussion
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in it, to be honest with you.
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And what kind of music do they kind of like focus on?
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What kind of vocals or lyrics do they focus on?
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So a lot of the lyrics kind of focus on like beauty, love, you know, that kind of stuff.
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And then there's a lot of like heartbreak or like feeling homesick, you know, a lot of
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the sailors would sing like the kind of like the homesick, fottos and things of that sort.
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Um, and then, you know, like the photo for the people in the mainland, like in the 50s and
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60s that moved to the US, like the, you know, they talked about reminiscent because they
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left a dictatorship that was just, you know, terrible at the time.
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Kennedy allowed the Portuguese people, like almost like a free pass to come over here to
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escape the dictatorship, you know, like a refugee acceptance type thing.
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And then I think in the 90s, the dictatorship fell and it's much better now.
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There was after the dictatorship fell was very, very rough over there.
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You know, all of a sudden you have like this huge explosion of like drug problems and things
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like that because like you couldn't even accidentally litter or like, you know, speed or or
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J walk or anything like that.
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Like the government was so strict.
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My grandpa was telling me about that.
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That's crazy.
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Um, yeah, he came here in the 60s.
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A lot of Portuguese immigrants came in the 60s.
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Came in the right time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so many of them were farmers and stuff too and like, you know, a lot of the dairy farms
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in the, in the Central Valley in California are a lot of them are Portuguese.
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Unlike you'd have, you'd have a sponsorship where someone would vouch for you to come over
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and then they would basically get you a work placement program.
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And a lot of these dairies, they would have like little trailers or something like that
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for the people to live in and you would still get one to two meals a day and you'd still
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get paid.
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So like a lot of these early farmers, they'd be stacking money, working and not having to
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spend that much.
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And then you could take that money and you could send it back to Portugal to get somebody
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else to come back over here, you know, and do that.
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That's what my grandpa did.
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He can and work for some, uh, I think it was a German family making church pews and was
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just sending money back to Portugal every week and then eventually got my grandma, my mom,
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her twin brother and my younger aunt with us to come over.
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But, uh, yeah, like it's just, it's a lot of love, Lauren.
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And then you have the Limericks, which are kind of like the Jokey kind of Portuguese songs
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and a lot of really dirty stuff like that, you know, like it's funny.
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It's like, my every time we have a little family, uh, get together, we get my grandparents
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to sing some of the old songs and then sometimes they'll do the Limericks and, you know, they'll
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be translating them and, you know, some of them are pretty filthy.
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It's really funny.
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It can't, is it as sort of like, sort of like dirty rap music or something like that?
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Uh, yeah, I mean, there was, there was, my aunt was trying to translate one of the, uh, one
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of the songs.
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It came out to be something about squirting or something like that.
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It was just like, hey, my grandma is singing it.
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You know, it's just the sweetest thing.
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It's so funny.
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But yeah, and she's, she's singing some lyrics about squirting or something.
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It's hilarious.
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My girlfriend was, she was laughing so hard when that finally made it around the table.
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That's what that song is about.
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Damn.
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Is it singing like the Portuguese language or was it?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, saying the Portuguese language.
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So you guys had to literally translate that to understand it was a dirty song?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like, there's, you know, I understand a little bit of it.
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I wish that I knew more, but yeah, a lot of that more advanced stuff or slang and, yeah,
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I don't know all that stuff these days, but I'm, I'm working on trying to learn it again.
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Sounds great.
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So that's how you got first introduced into like hardcore music per se.
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Was that when you purchased your first guitar when you, uh, were sort of, uh, with your
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grandparents and stuff like that?
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Yeah, I was 11.
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Uh, you know, I always kind of fooled around on his guitars when I was younger and then
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I finally wanted one of my own.
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I remember when I was a kid, I used to, my grandpa's a carpenter and so we always have like
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wooden stuff for him.
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So I'd make little instruments like with rubber bands and nails and, you know, like make
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a little three-string playing, like music, you know?
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And, uh, yeah, my dad bought me my first guitar.
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It was a blue Johnson acoustic off eBay for like 70 bucks back in the day.
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How old were you when you bought that?
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I was, I was, I was either 10 or 11.
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I don't remember exactly, but around that age, it's seventh grade.
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And, uh, yeah, I learned, I learned some music.
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My dad made recording of my sister and I playing, like some Elvis songs and like some other
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just like jangles and stuff like that.
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And my dad got a little microphone and recorded it.
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And then I think a year later, I got an acoustic guitar, also an eBay for like 100 bucks.
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I still have that guitar.
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My mom has the, the, the Johnson.
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Yeah, and then I got my BC Rich after that in eighth grade.
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It was a metal master's pack.
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Shit.
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Yeah.
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And that's, that's a legit guitar.
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Yeah.
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That's the one I carved all the roots at.
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At age grade, you're able to get a BC Rich.
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That's insane.
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Yeah.
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Can you explain to people like tell, like explain to people what BC Rich is, by the way?
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Yeah.
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So BC Rich, they, they make a lot of extreme, you know, styled guitars.
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And I mean, they have some, they have some regular looking ones, but they're very notorious
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for their extreme pointy, you know, crazy guitars.
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And I remember being like, you know, a little 10 year old, 11 year old metalhead and seeing
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that.
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That's my jam right there.
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And yeah, it was, it was like a $150 metal master pack.
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It came with a little amplifier.
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I got it at guitar center.
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And to this day, I still play a thing a bunch.
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And it's funny because the neck that's on there should not have been on my guitar.
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That neck is way nicer than which it have ever been on a little cheapo starter kit guitar.
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But, yeah, the Warlock, you know, it's funny because it's, it's all pointy, but it is still
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one of the most comfortable, comfortable guitars that I've ever played.
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And then, sitting down, you've got the two like big spikes that come off the bottom.
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And that part just like cradles your thigh perfectly.
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And then the other spike sits in your lap, like just right.
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And it's such a good playing angle for sitting down without having to worry about holding it
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up or, you know, always adjusting your strap and stuff.
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It's great.
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And you started to upgrade your rig from that point onward.
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Dude, I remember when I got my first guitar, I was racing Pakistan.
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Yeah.
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I'd just fight for my guitar.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's not a thing that people really liked.
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And I couldn't play it super loud either.
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Yeah.
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So, man, I remember my first electric guitar was something that was totally unbranded.
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I don't even remember what it was.
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But the first guitar I got was also an unbranded acoustic guitar.
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Probably something that was like, I don't know, 30, 40 bucks tops, the best case in area.
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But, man, I think that there's a solid connection you form when you first play your guitar and
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then you're like, wow, I can do that.
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That's awesome.
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But then you before you know it, you're spending like a full day just playing that thing for
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eight hours straight.
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Was that what happened with you?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, like it, I didn't get super serious with it until I was maybe like late eighth grade,
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early ninth grade, you know, before I would just kind of like putts around and do like some
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chords here and there.
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But yeah, like I remember that feeling of like getting your first couple of chords down
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and you're just like, I can make some decent sound right now, you know?
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This is great.
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Yeah, like I didn't, like I was like, I know I wanted to play metal when I was in like seventh
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grade, but my guitars that I had are my amps, like I didn't have a distortion pedal.
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I didn't have like anything like that made that metal sound.
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I remember that Johnson, I had this, I had like a, with a canteen and the canteen had these
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metal clips on it.
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And I would put the metal clips on the strings like down by the bridge and you'd play it
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and it would sound all distorted and I was like, all right, cool.
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Like, I know this isn't quite it, but like to me, like this is like kind of a distorted
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metal sound and then I remember trying to play like some pantera on it or something like
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that, you know, I was like, all right, we're getting there.
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What were some of the bands that really influenced your early play style and got you kickstarted
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into metal?
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Um, Rush and Metallica were huge, even though I could like at that time playing that stuff
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was like unfathomable to me.
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But, uh, yeah, I remember like listening to 2112 and like master puppets when I was in
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seventh grade and eighth grade and then like pantera came out and I remember my friend JT,
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I had like, I had been listening to like Lincoln Park and like disturbed and like, you know,
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system of down and corn and like that kind of stuff and I was into like that kind of heavy,
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like, you know, new metal sound but not like Limpus getting that kind of crap.
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Limpus getting what's not metal, man.
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Yeah, no, no, the hard rock, the rock, whatever.
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Yeah, but, you know, and then like static X is interesting.
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I was like, never, there's never super into static X, but I was like, all right, this is kind
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of like, I kind of like this.
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And then I remember my friend JT comes running up to me and he had some headphones, he's
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00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,680
like, dude, check this out.
438
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,960
And then I just feel the headphones like close on my ears and I hear the, no, no, no, no,
439
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,320
no, no, no, like the entry riff to walk by pantera and like, I know, I know there's a lot
440
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,480
of controversy with that right now, whatever, because they're all douchebags, but time
441
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,160
eggs don't.
442
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:52,920
But I get hearing that at that time, I was just like, that is, that's what's up.
443
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,240
And then he just, and then he like, rips the headphones off my head and just like dips out
444
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,720
and like, so the next day at school, I come back and like, what was that?
445
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,720
And he's like, oh, that was pantera.
446
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,720
And I was like, that's six.
447
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,920
I went and I got a pantera album.
448
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,520
And Allison Chains, too.
449
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:11,080
Allison Chains is huge and they're still, still such a big part of what I like now in music.
450
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,120
Yeah, I love Allison Chains.
451
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:17,760
Yeah, just delving into metal from there like ninth grade, tenth grade.
452
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,760
I started getting it more into like death metal, black metal, getting into some, you know,
453
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,280
some of the extreme stuff and like, I, the metal encyclopedia website, like I remember
454
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:33,640
when I found that in maybe junior year, I'd be up all night on the metal encyclopedia
455
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,680
website and just like finding bands from all these different countries and like, you know,
456
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,200
really getting into some rabbit holes with that kind of stuff.
457
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,240
And, you know, my buddy Cody and Corey, too, we would be sending each other music.
458
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,440
And I'd do check this out or check this out.
459
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Just finding all this awesome shit.
460
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,560
So let's move away from school.
461
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,560
What happened after schooling?
462
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:59,960
Well, so when I was in New Tech, I started working and I started working for Minimand Press,
463
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,360
which those my internship.
464
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,000
What, what, what, what was that again?
465
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
Minimand Press.
466
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,880
They're like, it's like a franchise print store.
467
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,880
Okay.
468
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:14,000
But my dad was friends with Don Krieger, the owner of the one that was here in Napa and I
469
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000
needed an internship.
470
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,320
So I started going there and then shortly after, they're like, you know, we like you.
471
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,320
Let's hire you.
472
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,200
I've been doing graphic design in class and I always thought the kind of stuff was fun.
473
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:35,000
So I would do graphic design with them and help design, you know, menus for restaurants and
474
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,280
stuff like that, business cards and things.
475
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,520
And I would do a lot of the production work, too.
476
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,320
And there's Gallagolora that worked there.
477
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,920
So it's like 50 year old lady and here I have like 17 year old.
478
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,560
We just be chatted up, excuse me, kind of like my little office friend.
479
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,200
And we do production like we had this giant paper slicer dude that had like an eight inch
480
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,700
razor on it.
481
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:58,860
And you could put maybe like 2000 sheets of paper and it would just slice your like butter,
482
00:26:58,860 --> 00:27:00,180
you know, and just do all this good.
483
00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:03,620
And all these lasers and stuff on it to keep you from putting your hands in there.
484
00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:06,980
But Laura and I would fuck around with that thing and like try to figure out ways to get past
485
00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:07,980
the lasers.
486
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:11,940
But you have to have like, there's two buttons on either side and you have to press both
487
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:12,940
buttons with each hand.
488
00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:13,940
So it's like, all right, cool.
489
00:27:13,940 --> 00:27:17,500
So we know your hands are here and then you had to put your feet on these pedals and
490
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:20,980
then if one thing lost connection, then it would stop immediately.
491
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:23,580
But we'd fuck around try to do shit with that.
492
00:27:23,580 --> 00:27:31,020
And then yeah, went from working there to, I think I was like working at Cucco like selling
493
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:36,180
knives or something like that for like a little summer after high school job.
494
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:42,140
And then I started working for Stenson Engineers.
495
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:44,940
That was a water resource firm in Santa Fell.
496
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:48,340
And one of my buddies his mom hired me out.
497
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:51,620
I was like an accountant administrator, assistant or something like that.
498
00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:58,040
I would basically just fold giant water table maps and like file paperwork and just do goofy
499
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,040
stuff.
500
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,560
I would, there was a couple people in that office that were just like, such the biggest
501
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,960
deal does to you.
502
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,960
This guy that would come in and he would complain about going over budget and like yelling
503
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,760
at the Accounting Administrator Department.
504
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,300
But he had like a clear budget and he would always go over it and then come back and yell
505
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:19,620
at the Accounting Department.
506
00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:23,460
So like, you know, and the administrator, the manager, she was like my friend.
507
00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:26,460
And I was like, you know, screw this guy for the Jackass.
508
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:28,300
And it happened like every week.
509
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:34,580
So occasionally I would be tasked with earthquake proofing like bookcases and stuff like that.
510
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:37,740
And they're like, oh, you have to put these new, you know, supports up because these are
511
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:40,060
the new code ones or whatever.
512
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:45,700
And so I would go into this guy's office and maybe we should black out with company
513
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:46,700
and analysis.
514
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:52,200
They've got this guy's office and I would, hey, I got to put these new, you know, these
515
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,200
new things up.
516
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,180
And they'd be like, okay, I think they did that last week.
517
00:28:56,180 --> 00:28:57,900
I'm like, yeah, they changed it again.
518
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:02,820
And then I'd like put like sheets of cheese like behind his bookcase and then bolt them back
519
00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:03,820
up.
520
00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:06,340
So it would start to think anything.
521
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:08,940
And just be like, what the hell is going on here?
522
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:11,580
Can you check find the bookcase for like whatever you look to see?
523
00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:12,580
I was nothing back here.
524
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:17,540
I just have like, I don't know, just give you a little prank stuff around the office and
525
00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:20,820
then put like little posts and notes that have arrows pointing to stuff.
526
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:24,900
But then there'd, you know, be nothing there and people would follow the arrows like just
527
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:26,700
mindlessly around the office for a little while.
528
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:27,700
That was pretty funny.
529
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:31,820
I remember getting like, listening to a lot of hip hop when I was working there too.
530
00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:35,860
Like, there's always listen to a tribe called Quest, the far side.
531
00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:39,820
Because it was just like good music to like move around and just do kind of like mindless
532
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:40,820
stuff too, you know?
533
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:46,900
Yeah, digging really deep into like early East Coast and like some early Southern stuff and
534
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:49,060
then of course all like the California classics too.
535
00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:50,460
Yeah, I always think of that.
536
00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:55,020
Like whenever I don't know, I just have so many memories of being in this far room listening
537
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:59,860
to the low end theory by tribe called Quest and like that always brings me memories of being
538
00:29:59,860 --> 00:30:00,860
back there.
539
00:30:00,860 --> 00:30:03,860
You're gonna be one of those people who lives by music and dies by music?
540
00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:07,420
Oh yeah, it's always been a huge part of my life.
541
00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:12,380
So after that job, what happened after that?
542
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:17,500
So I got laid off from that job and it was a crazy thing about that and I know we were kind
543
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:23,940
of talking a little bit earlier about like prior to the podcast but like deja vu and dreams
544
00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:26,660
and like kind of like psychic stuff.
545
00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:29,020
I'm gonna take a quick detour here.
546
00:30:29,020 --> 00:30:31,340
This is related to this story.
547
00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:37,780
But when I was like just when I wasn't sleeping a lot and I'd be on this kind of like other
548
00:30:37,780 --> 00:30:42,100
plane and like dreams and like deja vu or such a powerful thing and they still are for
549
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:43,100
me.
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00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:50,180
But I had a dream that I was packing up my desk at that office and then I wake up the next
551
00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:54,060
day and I used to carpool with my boss because she lived here in Napa too.
552
00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:57,380
And I remember just like kind of like waking up and like I was just like was that?
553
00:30:57,380 --> 00:31:02,180
I was like packing up my stuff and I didn't even have stuff at my desk but just like metaphorically
554
00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:03,180
in my head.
555
00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:07,420
I'm putting everything in this little container, you know and like my friend's mom's like
556
00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:10,660
upset, you know and everybody's like kind of waving by to me.
557
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:16,740
So I walked to her house and like we would leave at like 7.35 like on the dot.
558
00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:21,460
I get to her house around like 7.15 7.20 because I'd get in there and make coffee while she's
559
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:24,460
finishing getting ready and we have a little bit of coffee and just say you know good morning
560
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:30,340
and whatnot and then hop in the car and go and it's like 7.35 she's still kind of like
561
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:35,300
in her PJs and like I'm just like what's going on and she's like oh you know we're not
562
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:36,300
rushing today.
563
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:37,300
That's it.
564
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:38,300
Okay.
565
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:44,100
Start feeling kind of weird and it's like now it's 8.15 she's sort of kind of getting ready
566
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:45,100
but not really.
567
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:50,180
I'm like is there something but she's no no and then she sits down and she's like right
568
00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:51,180
I gotta talk to you.
569
00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:54,980
It's like okay she's like we we had to lay you off yesterday.
570
00:31:54,980 --> 00:32:00,940
I was at work the day before you know and like nobody said anything I had no inkling though
571
00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:01,940
this is going to happen.
572
00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:02,940
Nobody said nothing.
573
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:05,740
Nobody is acting weird they all keep it very under wraps.
574
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:07,940
Like we have to lay you off.
575
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:12,040
And I was like that's crazy because I had a dream about that last night that was like packing
576
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,320
my desk up you know.
577
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,320
She's like what?
578
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,820
She's like did you hear something?
579
00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:19,140
I was like no I didn't hear shit but yeah and then I just started like noticing stuff
580
00:32:19,140 --> 00:32:22,860
like that a lot more like I'd be dreaming about things and like you know I'd see stuff
581
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:23,860
a little bit later on.
582
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:28,100
I know it sounds kind of crazy but it's just it's just an interesting thing.
583
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:32,500
So no segue I got laid off of that.
584
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:37,940
And yeah and then after that I see after that I remember having a really hard time finding
585
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:42,700
a job for a while and I was sharing an apartment with my buddy my mom has helped me pay rent
586
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:47,420
and I felt garbage about it but like you know I don't know just the job market of that
587
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:50,700
time was tough I couldn't even get a job with McDonald's and I was just like what years
588
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:51,700
was this?
589
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,700
This is like oh wait oh nine.
590
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:57,740
Oh yeah our country wasn't in the cans at that time.
591
00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:01,260
Yeah maybe maybe maybe between 2009 and 2010.
592
00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:05,020
Yeah that wasn't 20 yet so yeah it was between oh wait no nine.
593
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:07,220
Yeah dude I couldn't even get a job with McDonald's.
594
00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:13,180
Yeah I'm like I remember that just being like rough like I remember going to interview and
595
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:19,860
where I wore a blood enough shirt and a tie and some decent pants and McDonald's and couldn't
596
00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:20,860
get the job.
597
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:24,700
I remember they called me like a couple days later and like yeah sorry we're not gonna hire
598
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:25,700
you.
599
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:30,060
You know I'm like I'm a decent smart dude I'm a hard worker like why couldn't I get a job
600
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:34,660
flipping burgers and like or you know taking out the trash or whatever and that I'm
601
00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:41,020
ever being rough and then shortly after that I had a temporary job at a farm up on Mount
602
00:33:41,020 --> 00:33:43,940
Vieter and that was pretty crazy.
603
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:49,020
We'd go up there and it was yeah it was nice it was this little lady she was like a caretaker
604
00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:53,020
and then there was this other older guy that was a caretaker and it was like some families
605
00:33:53,020 --> 00:33:58,020
house and then they had a farm on it and so we'd go up there we tend to the garden and
606
00:33:58,020 --> 00:34:02,780
we do stuff around the property like we had to build like some chicken fence because
607
00:34:02,780 --> 00:34:07,100
the mountains were getting in and snaps and the chickens and that happened on a lunch break
608
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,100
too.
609
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:12,620
And so just about how to done we stopped for lunch break we walk up and all of a sudden
610
00:34:12,620 --> 00:34:17,300
we hear this huge like herfuffle and then run back down there and sure enough there's
611
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:22,740
chicken just got ripped shreds like some online hopped like that one little gap that we
612
00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:27,100
had left up top you know and hindsight we should have finished it but they're like this
613
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:32,380
lady was like strict about like one chip 12 you know like we don't go a minute over yeah
614
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:36,300
like I'm oh do there's this long that I had to mo and it was like after it rained and
615
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:43,660
there's huge slope like big giant lawn and it was all sloped and you know I'm sitting
616
00:34:43,660 --> 00:34:48,780
there well not sitting and I was like pushing the lawnmower up and then coming back down
617
00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:53,860
the hill with sketch balls because like you got this mower in front of me that's self-powered
618
00:34:53,860 --> 00:35:01,180
and I'm trying not to slide down this hill while I'm holding this mower back and it's
619
00:35:01,180 --> 00:35:05,060
like slick and all I could think of was like sliding forward my foot going under the
620
00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:09,060
bottom back half of the mower and just like getting mulled by that blade and I was like but
621
00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:12,660
then if you spread your feet out too wide to avoid the mower then it's just like you can't
622
00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:18,140
walk like that and I was I don't know it was that that was crazy so then that was just a
623
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:22,940
temp job on my way back and I spent all my last like paycheck on groceries to last me a
624
00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:28,260
little bit my buddy Allen was next to me in traffic and he's like hey come check on my
625
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:32,060
new apartment so I go over there hang out with him for a few minutes okay you're looking
626
00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:37,180
for a job I'm like yeah actually I am he's like well I've been working nice shift in the bakery
627
00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:41,740
but I'm about to become a baker and my Jolute my delivery positions open and I actually
628
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:45,420
kind of recommended you for the job ready so why don't you go check that out and so I
629
00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:53,140
walk in and I'm like my the old boss Ann who is Tom Severs daughter Tom Severs was a famous
630
00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:57,860
baseball player at some point I'm not a big sports guy but I thought that was pretty good
631
00:35:57,860 --> 00:36:06,020
I know I know this our product our energy pods what's her name Ann Severs yeah so yeah as a
632
00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:11,460
studio right right yeah so yeah so they shall of our energy pods over there so we just
633
00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:17,020
kind of awesome oh that's cool yeah she used to be my boss at the bakery what a small world
634
00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:22,700
man yeah she hired me she's she's cool yeah she's very cool lady yeah I like her a lot so
635
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:28,060
yeah I walk in there I'm like hi I'd like to apply for a job and she's like oh we don't have any
636
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:32,500
positions open I was like oh I was my buddy Allen just told me to come down here she's like oh
637
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:37,660
your Allen's friend come on it and yeah they're like do you have a driver's license I'm like yeah
638
00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:41,460
she's like do you have a clean record it's like yeah I have like maybe a speeding ticket or two she's
639
00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:47,500
like okay you want to start tonight I like 2 a.m. I was like okay and I had plans with my buddy
640
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:54,700
that day too afterwards my friend Aaron that I used to play music with he signed us up for like this
641
00:36:54,700 --> 00:37:03,100
mushroom foraging class in Mill Valley and so yeah oh sorry I wasn't that and I was the day afterwards
642
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:07,380
see I Aaron my buddy Aaron picks me up with drive out to Mill Valley and we come back in the evening
643
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:12,340
and I think I took a quick little map and then got up and went to the bakery and started my first
644
00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:17,220
shift and it's funny the guy that was working that night and he was supposed to train me it was
645
00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:21,860
dude that I went to middle school with an American canyon and I'm like looking through the window I'm
646
00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:25,300
like knocking on the door and he's like who the hell is this guy and they never told him that he was
647
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:32,900
training to do that night so I'm not knocking on the door and he's looking at me and like hey yeah
648
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:39,060
let me in starting tonight is ago all right I didn't know it was training anybody would whatever I
649
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:45,540
worked there for a long time to do in graveyard and yeah there was crazy because like I already had
650
00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:50,020
insomnia really bad and that job kind of seemed perfect because I was working late nights and I was
651
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:55,940
living in a little apartment with my my best buddy Josh and I just get so tired of like having to be quiet
652
00:37:55,940 --> 00:38:00,340
because it's like thin walls and an apartment complex like it couldn't play guitar or loud I couldn't
653
00:38:00,340 --> 00:38:05,060
play video games I couldn't be creative and like make things you know which is all the stuff I wanted
654
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:10,740
to do while you're up late at night and your brain is just spiraling out on whatever because that is
655
00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:15,380
why I ended up spending so much time researching stuff and people is saying like you know so much
656
00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:19,860
about so many things like you know how'd you learn all this stuff and I just like not sleep
657
00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:24,260
don't sleep and you just read and you learn things and you research stuff and you know and then a
658
00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:29,140
couple weeks later you get hooked on something else you think is cool and you start reading about that
659
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:32,660
you know or painting warhammer figurines I would do a lot of that while I couldn't sleep
660
00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:39,140
you know playing video games and stuff too but yeah it was uh it was an interesting time so I was like well
661
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:44,740
getting kind of tired of being in here and having to be quiet so might as well make some money and
662
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:51,380
deliver a bunch of bread and pastries what happened after that job uh after that job that's when I
663
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:57,460
managed retail store for a while and then uh now I left that and I'm kind of just working on a new
664
00:38:57,460 --> 00:39:04,580
journey now coding yeah coding traveling so I have to remember to just be a human again and not be
665
00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:10,340
such a work slave so I have a first I have a question over here that I've wanted to ask you for a very
666
00:39:10,340 --> 00:39:16,660
long time and that's pertaining to our business like you were one of the first customers for our
667
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:24,020
business as well tell me how did you even hear about us uh well so Corey started promoting the
668
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:30,260
energy pod stuff a long time ago was this like 2018 or something like that yeah somewhere like that
669
00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:36,820
so I was yeah I uh had seen some posts that you guys have made and and Corey was talking about it
670
00:39:36,820 --> 00:39:42,580
and you know anything Corey does I support Holy and so I was like yes I'll try that out because I was
671
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:48,180
on my feet all the time and you know I was getting pretty heavy set at that job and so I wanted to
672
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:53,060
try something though you know it's like how can you turn down chocolate right and uh as I
673
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:59,540
this is low calorie and you know pretty pretty low calorie I think for the in terms of the nutrition
674
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that you get out of it you know all the protein and everything too and yeah that concept of
675
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:10,420
being satiated you know like when you're bored or hungry and you want to just eat a bunch of crunchy
676
00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:14,740
stuff then you you know pound through an entire bag of potato chips and like you know you're just like
677
00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:19,380
oh still doesn't feel like I eat much or are you or are you overcompensate and you need a giant sandwich
678
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:22,580
you know because you think you're still going to be hungry so you might as well take a sledge hammer
679
00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:29,140
to it you know the job for a you know a ball pin hammer right you know you eat way too much nice
680
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:35,380
to do that all the time and but you know like getting some of those first energy pods and
681
00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:40,900
and eating those I'm like yeah I mean you know you got something here because it's it's instant
682
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:45,380
because you yeah because you guys blend everything down and make this you know kind of like putting
683
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:51,060
that's packed with protein and MCTs and all these things that make you not hungry and also feel like
684
00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:57,140
you've got something that's great for being on your feet I hate having to be on my feet and feeling
685
00:40:57,140 --> 00:41:03,780
full like to this day I still I still don't like eating a large lunch and even that I don't like having
686
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:08,500
that big of a breakfast and that's still unless it's like a weekend you know and I just want to kind of
687
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:13,620
chill like you know get like a nice pile pancakes and bacon or you know eggs whatever if I just want
688
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:19,460
to have like a lazy weekend morning but uh yeah I really like the concept behind it and I started
689
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:25,220
getting some energy pods for you guys and yeah they just they've been fantastic yeah just just
690
00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:30,820
the other day I had one of the new chocolate ones in the freezer and it was kind of a hot morning
691
00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:34,260
and it didn't really want to eat too much and I remember it was oh I've got one of the freezer hell
692
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:40,420
yet so I grabbed that and took it to work with me and had a little bit of coffee and ate a pod
693
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that was perfect which brings me to the next question actually as we're gonna getting closer
694
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and closer to wrapping things up as well hey listeners before we jump back into our fascinating
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kgfodc.com to grab your favorite flavors and now let's get back to our inspiring guest
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how did you get into cooking and the culinary world you know I didn't cook much until I was
703
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:55,540
maybe like 14 my grandpa always helped me prep like I remember like peeling just like garbage bags full
704
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of potatoes for whenever whenever whenever we were making like a big potato soup for like the parties
705
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:11,460
and stuff but when I was 14 or 15 I became vegetarian just like I think I was just eating like too
706
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:19,700
much cheap garbage food and I just felt sick all the time and some part of me decided that it was
707
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:25,860
time to give it me for a while and and kind of get back into eating good and then those for that first
708
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:29,220
month or two of being a vegetarian is rough because like I didn't know what to do and I was just
709
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eating like cheese pizza and mac and cheese and like you know garbage food um then my mom started
710
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:43,860
bringing me Indian food all the time and uh because most of it's vegetarian and she's like well I know
711
00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:50,180
you like spinach to try you know the sog paneer and you like go cheese like this is perfect and you know
712
00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:55,620
stuff like that and so I got really into that and then that's when I started cooking for myself because
713
00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:59,540
I was like well what do I want to eat you know my mom didn't really know what to do she taught me
714
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:03,780
how to like make a plant parmesan and then we started cooking more vegetarian stuff together but
715
00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:09,140
yeah it was uh those first couple years of cooking were we're we're rough I think that's some of
716
00:44:09,140 --> 00:44:15,540
the stuff I'm having like I was like 90 percent all the while like just crap but yeah I moved out
717
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:21,060
lived with my buddy Josh I started cooking a lot more so he was just cheap and I survived off of like
718
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:26,420
couscous and like quinoa and stuff like that for a long time but yeah I mean I you know when
719
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you're cooking like at least two meals a day you get a lot of time to practice and then Cory and I
720
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would cook together a lot too we'd make these giant Scooby-Doo sandwiches was the guys at the bakery
721
00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:42,340
always make me like a giant like three-foot baguette you know Jesus Christ yeah yeah that was great like
722
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:47,460
you had to flip it in the oven because whenever we try to boil it to toast it or like you know melt the
723
00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:53,860
cheese it would stick halfway out of the oven so we boil it turn it flip it put it back in there
724
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boil the other half stack it full like mushrooms and whatever we wanted to cook that night
725
00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:06,180
yeah and then I just you know I just I love cooking I love experimenting with stuff making new things
726
00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:11,620
I don't follow a lot of recipes but I do like them for theory but I just I kind of like to just
727
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:16,020
wing it like if I have a couple ingredients in the fridge I'll see what I can make with that
728
00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:20,660
or like if I'm just running through the store sometimes I'll have no idea what it is I want to make
729
00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:24,900
and I'll find like one ingredient that okay I want to do something with this tonight and then
730
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:30,180
my brand will just start calculating like different things that I could do and then I usually just take
731
00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:36,660
it and go from there you know like this morning my girlfriend and I we had breakfast together and I
732
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:40,820
I haven't been able to cook as breakfast together in a while but I got I got some of those
733
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:47,300
presents like the grand the grand rolls and I had some cream cheese and that I was gonna cook those
734
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:53,140
up but I was like oh no I know I can do something with this and uh yeah I put cream cheese on the inside
735
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of the roll with some of that black garlic from trader Joe's and they're like some freeze-dried basil
736
00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:02,260
and then just rolled those up and brushed them a little bit of butter and and cooked it and then
737
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:06,900
curl friend takes a bite she's like oh what's in here you know and then there's like cream cheese
738
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:12,900
with black garlic and basil she's like oh you made this yeah there's like yeah she started like
739
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:18,020
tearing up a little bit she's like oh I wanted it was like hot cheese yeah that's so cute I love
740
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:26,900
cooking for her too like she's kind of like my food muse um our second date first day we ate a bunch
741
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:34,580
of sushi which I love I love sushi she was her second date comes over I made ravioli from scratch
742
00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:39,780
like made the dough I did everything in front of her such new I was full and around made the dough
743
00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:45,780
made like a wild mushroom ricotta stuff I think I think I I think I even made the ricotta from scratch
744
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,980
and then made the sauce shaped them all up by this cool little ravioli press that
745
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:55,780
thing you can just put a sheet and stuff it roll it over throw it in there cook that off and
746
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:59,700
that pretty much the other deal I think that was I think that was a good move on my part to make
747
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:06,580
that night but uh yeah it's cooking for her is great so enthusiastic yeah I love it it's definitely one of
748
00:47:06,580 --> 00:47:13,380
my love languages cooking I remember that about a week ago we created some crazy pizzas with our
749
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:20,660
product as well as like holy moly I never thought that date uh was like date crust pizza that we made
750
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:26,020
yeah it was christ that was really good yeah with the vanilla cream fresh yeah yeah that's exactly
751
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:30,500
that was a memorable one yeah thank you yeah that's exactly like you know when you were when we were
752
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,180
talking about collaborating on that I went into the store that day is all right we're making
753
00:47:34,180 --> 00:47:40,420
just pizzas and I was like I know I want lemons and and pizza and something something creamy to
754
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compliment the energy pot and I just started walking around in the stores again I'm gonna take that I'm
755
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:50,420
gonna take that I'm gonna take that yeah the uh and then yeah the date stuff cream fresh crusty that
756
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:55,940
thing that was literally on the spot I had no intentions of doing that prior I was gonna put like
757
00:47:55,940 --> 00:48:00,580
the dates or the figs I I wanted to do figs but I couldn't find any so I grabbed the thing at dates
758
00:48:00,580 --> 00:48:05,060
instead and those were gonna be on top and then when you and Cori and I were hanging out in the
759
00:48:05,620 --> 00:48:11,300
in the kitchen I was like oh you know what why don't I just stuff the crust with dates and that
760
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was so good that was that was a like that needs to that could that's like a million dollar idea
761
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:23,620
right there or any food business to just create like a date crust sort of pizza yeah really I got
762
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:28,260
I mean you could do it with a savory pizza too like instead of using like the vanilla cream
763
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:32,740
fresh you could use regular cream fresh from maybe like a marscopone or a cream cheese and then
764
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stuff that and then you can do like you know some like kind of funky like ham on you bear
765
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:46,900
co me like some you know some good stuff you know you can make a interesting funky pizza with that
766
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:54,740
for sure awesome man so I'm gonna have one last question for you uh what is one of the craziest
767
00:48:54,740 --> 00:48:59,780
experiences you've had in your life that you can think on top of your head I'd never done a cross
768
00:48:59,780 --> 00:49:06,180
country trip and to do that with Rosie moving her from Atlanta to California it was great um
769
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:10,820
you know I had a little bit of a rough time like I was really tired and I'd gotten a really
770
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:17,620
nasty cold somewhere along the way it hit bad in New Mexico but I still had a great time with her
771
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:24,100
and seeing the Grand Canyon in person was breathtaking like I so could just just sort of backtrack
772
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:29,540
a little bit so you guys moved from Atlanta all the way to California I moved her from Atlanta to
773
00:49:29,540 --> 00:49:35,860
California yeah so she we had met all line when she moved to Napa to work in the wine industry
774
00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:40,420
and then she stayed with me for a couple months moved back to Atlanta and then she decided that she
775
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:46,580
wanted to move back to California so I flew out there helped her pack up her stuff and then we drove
776
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in her car across the United States and uh yeah we went we drove from Atlanta to Tennessee
777
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move that first day and we went to the country music hall of fame and then that was really cool that was
778
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:07,460
awesome museum and then we went to some restaurant try to get like some hot chicken natural hot chicken
779
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:12,500
those the day after fourth of July so everybody was hungover a lot of places were closed
780
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:16,660
but we ended up finding a restaurant that was pretty cool then we drove to Little Rock
781
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:20,980
Arkansas that night I think we drove through Memphis to get to there and then in Memphis we
782
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:26,100
went to this gas station that was like in the cuts and get out there's like some
783
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:33,380
fight that was breaking out with some some pretty interesting characters made it to Little Rock at like
784
00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:40,020
midnight stay the night there and then we drove from Little Rock to Santa Fe New Mexico the next day
785
00:50:40,020 --> 00:50:45,540
that was insane dude but such a long drive we should have stopped in Texas somewhere but when we
786
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:52,500
finally we finally got to Texas I think it like six or seven pm Oklahoma we spent so long
787
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,900
driving through Oklahoma it was like bumper to bumper the entire way which is insane because
788
00:50:56,900 --> 00:51:01,300
I think we were going through Oklahoma City probably but it was like an eight lane highway and it was
789
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:05,860
backed up completely backed up and I was like how is there that many people to do this that makes
790
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:14,100
no sense no sense no sense I mean LA maybe right but over there yeah it makes no yeah it was crazy
791
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:20,260
we took 40 we yeah we drove we drove 40 the whole way across and finally get to Texas
792
00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:28,340
driving through Texas and all of a sudden we went through the pan handle we didn't go we didn't go
793
00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:36,260
down through ten but about halfway across was huge thunderstorm hail storm just hit us and the
794
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:43,700
driving through some of that was so sketch because there's all this road work on 40 through Texas
795
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:49,540
and you're driving down a single lane highway with those barriers the barricades on both sides and
796
00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:56,660
it's like can't see nothing cars not gripping that well like I got people on my ass doing 70
797
00:51:56,660 --> 00:52:02,180
through these little barricades like this is crazy and finally get through there we make it to
798
00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:08,340
Santa Fe New Mexico at like two of the morning and then crash we went to Malwulf the next day
799
00:52:09,380 --> 00:52:14,420
which is really cool art installation in Santa Fe then we cruised around Santa Fe downtown for a
800
00:52:14,420 --> 00:52:20,020
little while and then drove to the Grand Canyon that night stayed in a school bus on the stewed's
801
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:26,420
property what yeah hey what what was that about all right so this this dude had all this land
802
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:33,460
like out in the desert not far from the Grand Canyon and we rented this converted school bus like
803
00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:37,780
the dude put a little bed in there there's a little sand like an Airbnb yeah it's like a little
804
00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:43,220
Airbnb but it was a school bus and then it was but it was on his ranch and so like he had a little
805
00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:50,500
communal center there's a little kitchen that was all well water and then he had like a shower system
806
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:54,740
where you you basically you start a little fire worms with the water and then you get a hot shower
807
00:52:54,740 --> 00:53:03,220
there is a outhouse that was underground that was crazy that that sound really crazy yeah
808
00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:10,500
and it was all like the the septic thing was part of I can't remember if you used it for compost or
809
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:16,260
whatever but it was all like wood shavings that you'd throw on it and then the toilet paper got
810
00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:21,060
a separate receptacle for that but that was really cool to do the super chill he had a bunch of chickens
811
00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:27,540
there's llamas it was just down the middle of nowhere and no cell phone reception and so we had
812
00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:31,700
a little directions printed out because you're driving down an actual highway and then all of a sudden
813
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:36,260
you cut off on this little dirt road and you're driving through the desert trying to follow some
814
00:53:36,260 --> 00:53:42,020
tire tracks from earlier in the day basically to get to the studio will calm you guys find him
815
00:53:42,020 --> 00:53:48,660
find that guy I think we found it on we found him online okay let's start something no it was like
816
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:55,140
I don't think it was booking.com or speedier or something like that it was some uh oh um was it
817
00:53:55,140 --> 00:54:00,820
hot hot camp hot I think it was like hot oh hipcaps.com or something like that
818
00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:06,420
Rosie found that one I think it was hip camp yeah he also had like some air streams and he had some
819
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:12,340
like a larger RV type thing that was you know that was kind of just parked so there's a few different
820
00:54:12,340 --> 00:54:17,540
options for you know people but it was cool there's a little fire pit in the back we bought some pizza
821
00:54:17,540 --> 00:54:24,260
in Scottsdale and then drove to that school bus we ate the pizza and the salad on the little
822
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:29,220
backseat of the school bus and the next day we drove to the Grand Canyon uh hiked around the
823
00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:36,420
Grand Canyon for a while and then from there we drove to LA to see her mom stay the night in LA with her
824
00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:42,420
and then we drove up to Paso to see my mom and hung out with my odd and her partner and my mom
825
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:48,980
downtown Paso stay the night and then from there we drove back to Napa but it was like six days I think
826
00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:56,260
of driving but uh yeah the Santa Fe to New Mexico one was over the little rock to Santa Fe
827
00:54:56,260 --> 00:55:02,420
drivers brutal it was like 16 hours that's crazy man but it was yeah we had a lot of fun we stopped at
828
00:55:02,420 --> 00:55:07,860
all those loves truck stops was and uh you know they had nice clean bathrooms they're big truck stops
829
00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:14,020
it was the place to go and they all had like little chicken stands in them do you need to sleep in
830
00:55:14,020 --> 00:55:19,140
those overnight or something like that you if you had a trailer or something like that probably
831
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:24,900
I don't think you just sleep in your car at those places you guys probably slept or in hotels yeah
832
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:31,780
we stayed we got a we got a room in the Marriott in in uh little rock what for 60 bucks or something
833
00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:38,980
like that like that big room it was a king size bed like 60 bucks 60 bucks yeah I heard off yeah
834
00:55:38,980 --> 00:55:45,140
yeah that was great uh I found that out I think on expedia and then Santa Fe we stayed in this
835
00:55:45,140 --> 00:55:51,860
really cool little motel there's like a little roadside motel vines route 66 type place and that
836
00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:57,460
was a really cute little spot we it was a nice room that was a cool spot wasn't that far from
837
00:55:57,460 --> 00:56:02,500
the outwolf I then we got some tamales from this little mexican joint around the corner of me
838
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:07,700
outwolf for breakfast and those were really good and then uh yeah I think we got some food after me
839
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:13,140
outwolf and then we left but yeah it was a good time it was a good time it drive us great it was
840
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:19,940
I hadn't spent a bunch of time in the south so it was cool to drive through Tennessee and uh
841
00:56:20,660 --> 00:56:27,540
you know and Arkansas Oklahoma you know seeing that I had it's been a long time since I've been in
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Texas I think last time I was everyone I was eight visiting one of my grandparents yeah I don't
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know it was cool and I mean he was his mom was nice very sweet Armenian lady she lives in
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little Armenia in uh in West Hollywood sounds good man it looks like uh he's been quite a bit you
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seen quite a bit of life in your life yeah um do you have some final message or any pearls of wisdom
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that you'd like to share with people um I think this is something that is kind of I'm trying to find
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more again um just like don't don't get sucked into the the BS of life um you know obviously
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grinding for what you want is important especially if you have goals and stuff in mind but you got to
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remember to stop and relax and try to do what makes you happy you know like make sure to exercise and
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like you know I've been sedentary for a long time like I've been you know I've been working like
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being on my feet and like that kind of stuff but in terms of like actual physical exercise I have
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neglected myself heavily with that so getting back into that and I'm really enjoying lifting weights
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and really pushing myself you know pushing my boundaries of what I can do yeah human body is an
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incredible thing so you got to make sure to treat it right don't burn yourself out and uh take time
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to cherish the people you love I think that's that's a really really key part of life you're just
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basically named the uh basically said the theme of the podcast which is energize explore enjoy
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in just a very more elaborate and deep way I think that's awesome so how can people find you?
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I've got an Instagram page it's called Jesse Cook's Dad Flavor with the DAT um I'm on there
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want to read it um maybe they just post food pics and stuff on there too that's about it
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sounds great yeah I'll put put all the links in the show notes and thanks for being on the show man
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yeah thank you appreciate it thanks for having me
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next week we're exploring a tasty topic that will satisfy your appetite for knowledge
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join us as we delve into the world of food attitudes uncovering the intriguing history and
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fascinating science behind them get ready to have your taste buds
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